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 |  Subject: Chapters 13-17  Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:21 pm | |
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Minimoosey
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| | Subject: Re: Chapters 13-17 Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:25 pm | |
| Mr. Collins coming into the picture starts to make the plot thicken. It is quite interesting that the tradition on asking the eldest daughter is obvious to everyone. Since that wasn't an option, the gentleman goes for the second eldest one. Wickham stepping into the picture shows us that Darcy has skeletons in his closet and he acts like a snob in more than one way. Elizabeth, out of duty, has to promise the first two dances to Mr. Collins.
I'm starting to see that the Bennett's are middle class in their actions. I also see that Austen was probably middle class and you are right there was no reference to the lower class. | |
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Kelley
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| | Subject: Chapters 13-17 Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:48 am | |
| Mr. Collins presents an interesting contrast to the two distinct classes we have already seen. Mr. Collins seems to me to be a middle class man or even lower than the Bennets, that by luck came into the parish, and is pretending to be of higher quality. Due to this, both classes seem to shun him. The only person who seems happy with him is Mrs. Bennet, but I think that is probably because selfishly, if he marries her daughter she won't be forced out of her home.
Mr. Whickham at this point seems to be the perfect man, of rank, but not so high he is snobbish. Handsome and able to converse well. I have to wonder though, why he would disclose so much personal information upon just meeting a lady. It seems that this is very out of the ordinary for the social norms. Either this is to shed new light on Darcy, or will play against Wickham later on??? | |
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Minimoosey
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| | Subject: Re: Chapters 13-17 Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:28 pm | |
| Wickhams class is probably from the lower class. Remember his father was a servent of the Darcy family. That's why all this is brought up. The father Darcy wanted to help him and the younger Darcy got in the way. | |
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Kelley
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| | Subject: Good Point Sun Jan 21, 2007 7:40 pm | |
| That's right, Wickham is from a lower class. Sometimes I get caught up in one part of the story and what it means and forget simple things like that. Thanks | |
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Karen
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| | Subject: Re: Chapters 13-17 Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:11 pm | |
| Collins and wickham are introduced. Collins being the snobby relative of mr. Bennett who will inherit all of te Bennetts assets because of an outmoded plan called 'entailing'. It's obviou that Ms. austen disliked the idea. Hee is snobbish by association. even though find his social status by virtue of being a nephew of someone with property and no sons and by his connection to Lady de Bourgh. Rather than feel embarrassment at his behavior, he believes so strongly—Wickham is handsome and charming and Elizabeth likes him right away. He is superficial. Elizabeths mother and younger sisters reinforce their low upbringing and embarrass Eliabeth and Give Ms Bingly something to tease Darcy about since sheknows he is attracted to Elizabeth. He does, thus far, hold back his feelings in good part because of her class. | |
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| | Subject: Re: Chapters 13-17 Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:05 am | |
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